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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:14:00 -
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Damnation or Vulture depending on your fleet comp. Or maybe a Claymore, all can fit stupid tanks, the Claymore has the worst buffer sadly due to loosing out on the resist bonus, but if you need a useful Flagship there the way to go IMO. Slaved vindi if you just want a big DPS bringing brick but CS are more beneficial assuming a gang of around 10+ in size. And certainly not some ******** Basi that wants to be a Scimitar.
Edit; loving the EM resist on the Basi by the way, I'm sure your glad EM ammo isn't widely used... |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:40:00 -
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That may well be the case. Still don't see the point, it's not gonna tank much even assuming you manage perfect range control, which in the days of 100k web/point is difficult the thing wil die horribly to anything that has greater range than your shield reps which is if i remember, about 80k or less.
Feel free to enlighten me to the point of it. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:47:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Yes. But you realise you're talking to CVA. I mean really... It's CVA. 
Sorry I forgot blobbing horribly fit Drakes and killing solo Rifters with 2 T2 frigs is "leet Pvp", if you enliten me to the purpose of the Basi I will happily accept it as read. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:59:00 -
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Meh, don't get a whole lot of play time, and yes we blob things, primarily because we fight blobs of equal or larger size, way the world works. I Genuinely don't care about all this KB crap, just don't really see the point in the Basi its an honest question.
Oh and I'd like to see how long it takes you to solo a TCU :P |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:06:00 -
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Wow this is still going, would like to know how that Basi tanks very much sentry fire, being Sig doesnt come into the equation when it comes to gate guns, but hey I dont fight much in low sec, still dont see a great deal of point as it has awful cap life, a meh tank, less EM resists than a buffer fit cane etc etc and could get alphaed by a couple of Nados with RF EMP.
But as I say, it obviously has a purpose since you give it such wild acclaim, but as the man rightfully said;
"I need to tank sentry fire in short bursts while being able to be hidden to look engagable" would have been far better than you first response which was essentially "lol my char haz more kills than you char, this fit works" |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:10:00 -
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Not sure where your getting your numbers from, i dont get nearly that much assuming all V, or are we talking Tengu Boost/Drugs/Slaves, even so, the cap lasts like 30 seconds with all reps on, just dont see why its better than a scimi, or a pair of Basis
Edit, Crystals, I am le tired |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:26:00 -
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I can see it working fairly well sometimes, just getting raped by anybody that brought a Recon, with the possible exception of the Curse/Pilgrim which should really die before they get within neut range (40k if memory serves).
Just feel like a Scimi which although being unable to tank gate guns would fair better in the Range control/speed factor, which is one of the best defences for logi tbh (speed and range)
And to the man up there of course there are various Basi fits and of course my comments only apply to this one, being its the one I'm discussing.
(Oh and Liang I dont dislike you honestly :P)
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.02.07 10:31:00 -
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How do you find it deals with LR Webbing from Huginns/Rapiers being it would destroy there sig tank entirely with the Reduced speed/painting.
Oh and Dat Guardian 0.o
Edit; Gate guns are something I have little experience with tanking in Logis, I generally use 1600 plated canes for agressing in low sec, I also discovered you cant Sig tank gate guns, much to my Crusaders demise... |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.02.07 10:47:00 -
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Guardian needs to be in groups to be effective, its sig tank combined with EHP is nice, like 65+ EHP with legion bonus and around 65M Sig Rad with Loki bonus is pretty damn fine. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:12:00 -
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Im a big fan of the Scimi in big groups, requires less interdependancy and works better than an MWD basi for fast moving fleets IMO. The Oneiros I have seen around a bit recently, has the same EHP/Sig adavantages of the Guardian but I've not seen it in any major engagements so I cant really judge it as yet. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:17:00 -
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And have you considered swapping the second invul out for a Photon Scat, less cap usage an a better overall resist profile.
Being that EM damage is so prevalent. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:26:00 -
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Most Minnie ships pack Barrage/RF EMP in my experience, them being rather common.
Saying that I have found myself using hail recently 0.o
And jeeze, I just noticed that Basi runs all 5 reps stable assuming no local tank, thats actually pretty damn Impressive... |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:40:00 -
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In that case I approve, Scimis are still better looking, but yeah, I think I approve of that one.
You run any kind of drugs/implants with it??
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:49:00 -
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Kinda thought the HG Crystals would come into it, I run Blue Pill/Mindflood cyclone sometimes, the side effects arent too much of an issue because its not an expensive lost, I keep em in the Hold of my carrier too, for emergencies.
Do you find difficutlies with arty or other high alpha weapons its Buffer aint huge and a good shot from a couple of Nados or even a Cane or two could Strip the shields straight off it. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:56:00 -
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Liang has derps, shock horror :P
Wow, we mega Delayed this thread, TLDR;
Mega Uber Shiny Slaved Faction BS
Carrier Maybe if you feel brave enough (may incur the wrath of the Hotdrop)
I would say Vulture/Damnation depending on fleet comp, or maybe a Claymore for the pure sexy factor. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
46
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:49:00 -
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I leave for a night and look what happens :P
Liang likes the Basi, I can see why, it reps well and tanks well.
Other people like the Scimi because its fast, which is a virtue all of its own, they both have there strengths and weaknesses.
In larger nano fleets the Scimi is generally accepted as better due to the nature of fast moving nano warfare.
The Guardian is similar to the Basi but its popular because armour ships are slower than shield ships, so there speed and interdependancy are less of an issue, the Basi is less popular because interdependancy and sluggishness are incompatable with the general layouts of shield gangs (Speed and Gank).
Lets just agree to disagree here gents/ladies, before we delay this thread any further. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
46
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:32:00 -
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Mutual understanding and respesct is something never seen on this forum before but lets give it a go this once, see what its like. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
46
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:18:00 -
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Versuvius Marii wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:just don't really see the point in the Basi its an honest question. Confirming CVA have no use for Logistics.
Confirming we don't make heavy use of Guardians |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:52:00 -
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Wow, we really can't drop the issue I succinctly summed up already.
Le sigh. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
57
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:48:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:Wow, we really can't drop the issue I succinctly summed up already.
Le sigh. This debate has been going for a year. He's just as stupid now as he was then - except then he had the advantage of being simply ignorant and bullheaded. -Liang
I loled, not best friends then.
Personally I think the Basi fit Liang put up, after some explanation of its purpose, is an interesting twist.
Its all opinion and conjecture because theres a million different factors as everybody well knows, everything has a purpose, I mean jeeze, we used an Onieros last night, and it worked. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
59
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:11:00 -
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Although I dislike all this insult throwing I will say one thing, in fleets, Basis, as with Guardians tend to fly 4/2, due to not everybody being Logi V, and 4/2 being a lot more forgiving when ECM/Neuting/Myriad other types of pressure are inevitably put on Logistics during a fleet fight.
So no, your basilisk will not be putting out 5 reps, it will be 4 max, possibly 3 if it needs an MWD.
TLDR, Basis and Scimis both normally fit 4 reps, unless MWD fitted in which case its 3, and no idea about Basis, because I have never seen an MWD Basi. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
59
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Posted - 2012.02.14 09:31:00 -
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Yeah, thread succesfully derialed, and MWD Scimis have a Util high due to PG/Cap issues.
Basis and Guardians are always 4/2 in fleets due to, as I said, Neuting/ECCM/Logies dieing so redundancy is required.
I have never seen a functional MWD Basi, ever.
Basis can't keep up with shield canes, also fact.
Good flagships, Command Ships - Damnation, Vulture, Claymore.
Thread closed, move on, job done. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
59
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Posted - 2012.02.14 10:15:00 -
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Problem with that is getting drawn out, but with some decent coordination that could work.
I never said it wasnt possible, I just said I'd never seen it done. |
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